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   * [[https://chat.jabberfr.org/converse.js/krypte@chat.khaganat.net|krypte@chat.khaganat.net]] : for technical talks.
-These rooms are logged and the [[https://chat.khaganat.net/logs/|logs are freely accessible]], as for IRC previously, for 7 days. As a bonus, at log in, you'll get the last messages((the 20 last messages are displayed depending on your client, and in any event you can scroll back the last few days: they're sent by the server)), which allows to keep up with the current talk.
+These rooms are logged and the [[https://chat.khaganat.net/logs/|logs are freely accessible]], as for IRC in the past, for 7 days. As a bonus, when logging in, you'll get the last messages((the 20 last messages are displayed depending on your client, and in any event you can scroll back the last few days: they're sent back to you by the server)), which allows to keep up with the current talk.
-You just have to clik on the above links to join a webchat: it's in your browser, no need for a software or registration, just chose a nickname before talking.
+You just have to click on the above links to join a webchat: it runs in your browser, no need for a software or registration, just choose a nickname before talking.
 ==== Throught a webchat ====
 A webchat is nice, because it's simple.
-You just have to [[https://chat.jabberfr.org/converse.js/khaganat@chat.khaganat.net|click here]], enter a nickname, and here you are on a chat!
+You just have to [[https://chat.jabberfr.org/converse.js/khaganat@chat.khaganat.net|click here]], enter a nickname, and here you go!
 Caution:
-  * Your nickname is neither saved nor registered, the only wayt to protect it is to create an XMPP account.
+  * Your nickname is neither saved nor registered, the only way to protect it is to create an XMPP account.
-  * A webchat is handy to discover or for a quick talk, but you won't have as many features as with a heavy client. Though... the XMPP webchat are improving; with movim.eu for example, you can access a very complete tool (and maybe something a bit complicated for a beginner).
+  * A webchat is handy to discover or for a quick talk, but you won't have as many features as with a heavy client. Though... the XMPP webchat engines are improving; with movim.eu for example, you can access a very complete tool (but maybe somewhat hard to use for a beginner).
-  * You can log with your XMPP account to a webchat. There are several ways, for example [[https://jabberfr.org/converse/]] or [[https://movim.jabberfr.org/]]. You'll find out then your contacts, your prefered rooms, etc.
+  * You can log with your XMPP account into a webchat. There are several ways, for example [[https://jabberfr.org/converse/]] or [[https://movim.jabberfr.org/]]. It will automatically retrieve your contacts, your preferred rooms, and so on.
 ==== Installing a client ====
-An officle client //may// be useful. But it's not as true as with IRC.
+A heavy client //may// be useful. But it's not as true as with IRC.
-With XMPP, there are several interesting features, especially being able to log in from various clients on the same account... hence following a talk from your PC, then your smartphone, then your browser, but still keeping the whole talk in history and receiving the messages sent to you while changing from a device to the other. Incredible, isnt'it.
+With XMPP, there are several interesting features, especially the ability to log in from various clients with the same account... hence following a talk from your PC, then your smartphone, then your browser, but still keeping the whole talk in history and receiving the messages sent to you while changing from one device to another. Incredible, isn't it ?
-Depending on what you prefer and your devices, there is a tremendous choice of clients. We can propose you trhee picks to start: webchat, Gajim (office client), and if you prefer to use a console to access chats, Poezio. For anything else, let's join [[jabberfr>|JabberFR]], that's where you'll find the best french documentation((you can also join to update the threads and improve the manuals)).
+Depending on what you prefer and your devices, there is a tremendous choice of clients. We can propose you three picks to start: webchat, Gajim (desktop client), and if you prefer to use a console to access chats, Poezio. For anything else, let's join [[jabberfr>|JabberFR]], that's where you'll find the best french documentation((you can also join to update the threads and improve the manuals)).
 It's better to create an XMPP account to use these clients: the anonymous authentication is working more or less with them. The process is described in the article about Gajim.
-How to start with [[fr:gajim|Gajim]]? Follow the instructions in [[fr:gajim|the dedicated guide]]!
+How to start with [[en:gajim|Gajim]][[fr:gajim|(fr)]]? Follow the instructions in [[en:gajim|the dedicated guide]][[fr:gajim|(fr)]]!
-How to start with [[fr:poezio|Poezio]]? Follow the other guide!
+How to start with [[en:poezio|Poezio]][[fr:poezio|(fr)]]? Follow the other guide!
-=== Feedbacks by our members ===
+=== Feedback by our members ===
 You'll find [[https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html|a list of XMPP clients here]].
 == Android ==
-  * [[https://conversations.im/|Conversations]] is very good. It's an opensource software, but paying on [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations|Google Play]], free if you're using  [[https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.siacs.conversations/|F-droid]] or if you [[https://github.com/siacs/Conversations|compile it yourself]]((But if you can still pay for it, it helps maintaining it. On the contrary it's better for your privacy not to use GooglePlay)). It's the most user-friendly and simple of the XMPP clients that we tested, ideal to start with.
+  * [[https://conversations.im/|Conversations]] is very good. It's opensource, but paying on [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations|Google Play]], free if you're using  [[https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.siacs.conversations/|F-droid]] or if you [[https://github.com/siacs/Conversations|compile it yourself]]((But if you can still pay for it, it helps maintaining it. On the other side it's better for your privacy not to use GooglePlay)). It's the most user-friendly and simplest XMPP client that we tested, ideal to start with.
 == Linux ==
-  * Gajim is well maintained, quite easy to take over et with all the useful features. It can be found on all the major distributions. It's the one we recommand to start with and the one on which we can help you.
+  * Gajim is well maintained, quite easy to take over and with all the useful features. It can be found in all major distributions. It's the one we recommend to start with and the one with which we can help you.
-  * [[https://poez.io/fr/|Poezio]] is an excellent client but only for an informed audience (console interface, install not always available in the distributions packets). It's the one to advise to people who know and like Weechat. Moreover, it's maintained by Link Mauve, so you'll be able to talk directly wih one of the devs!
+  * [[https://poez.io/fr/|Poezio]] is an excellent client but only for an informed audience (console interface, not always packaged for your distro). It's the one to advise to people who know and like Weechat or irssi. Moreover, it's maintained by Link Mauve (who's also involved in the Khaganat project), so you'll be able to talk directly with one of the devs!
-  * [[https://dino.im/|Dino]] is a client which want to be simple and user-friendly. At the time of our tests, it was still lacking maturity, which caused regular crashes and strange behaviours.
+  * [[https://dino.im/|Dino]] is a client which aims to be simple and user-friendly. At the time of our tests, it was still lacking maturity, which caused regular crashes and strange behaviour.
-  * [[https://pidgin.im/|Pidgin]] is interesting because it allows to log to several networks (IRC, XMPP). But the XMPP parts is suffering from numerous delais and that causes problematic behaviours sometimes.
+  * [[https://pidgin.im/|Pidgin]] is interesting because it allows to log in to several networks (IRC, XMPP). But the XMPP part is suffering from numerous delays and that causes problematic behaviour sometimes.
 == Windows ==
-  * Gajim is also available on Windows, in a version quite similar to the one on Linux.
+  * Gajim is also available on Windows, in a flavor quite similar to the Linux one.
 == Mac ==
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+==== Anonymously or with an account ?  ====
-The second half of the article is still to be translated.
+You can anonymously use XMPP without the need for an account. It's a convenient way to get started, but there are some limitations:
-\\ On the translated part, the links to JabberFR, and the Gajim and Poezio guids need to be changed when there is a JabberEN (or similar) link, and the guids are translated in EN.
+  * you'll not have access to some services that need persistence, like letting other people leave you messages while you're offline.
-\\  --- //[[wiki:user:lyne|Lyne]] 2019/09/03 20:39//
+  * anonymous accounts may be used by spammers, stalkers, or for offense and so are disabled on most XMPP chat rooms. For the moment we have them enabled but in case of problems they may be disabled for a while.
+XMPP can be used with or without an account, be it on a web- or a desktop-client. You'll always have the most functionality when you're connected with an account.
+=== Going anonymously online ===
+The easiest way to go is to use the [[https://chat.jabberfr.org/converse.js/khaganat@chat.khaganat.net|webchat]], you'll be in an anonymous session. Some other services offer by default an anonymous session, like does [[https://meet.jabberfr.org/Khaganat]].
+You also can connect anonymously with a desktop client. The condition being that the server you're connecting to accepts anonymous accounts. Poezio offers a server by default. With Gajim you'll have to specify one ; JabberFR suggests ''anon.jabberfr.org''. You just have to check the option "anonymous authentication" when creating an "account" on the client : locally a profile is created but it's not really an XMPP account.
+Please note that you'll not be able to connect everywhere : as stated above, some servers reject anonymous connections or are blocking some "anon" server that are or have been spamming.es de spam.
+=== Creating an account without a client ===
+This is as simple as choosing a XMPP server that allows online registration. We have a partnership with jabberfr.org and we recommend them you to. They took over APINC domain names, what allows you to have choice in userID:
+   * https://im.apinc.org/inscription/
+===== Our bots =====
+For now we have less bots than we had in IRC.
+[[user:pendorid|Pendorid]] is still here. She logs, retrieves RSS feeds, and speaks: all that we need. She's based on [[fr:botlogmauve|Botlogmauve]], a homemade bot.
+===== Installing your own server =====
+Because selfhosting is good!
+<WRAP center round tip 60%>
+It's absolutely *not* a requirement prior to using XMPP. If you just want to converse with us, this section is not for you.
+Our XMPP services are currenty hosted by [[https://jabberfr.org|jabberfr.org]], what allows us to have as much services as they have instances, without having the hassle to manage all that... thank you !
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+More at [[en:xmpp_server]][[fr:xmpp_server|(fr)]].
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